recommended), (you can try 3.3 gr. Can you do it? For hard cast work up to no more than 6.7grs max Winchesters data, Result of not working out is a kaboom and potential injury. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. It's awful hard to beat a powder like 296. Delaware Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: The best powder I've used, and I've tried many, is . Any thoughts? Minnesota Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: With Titegroup, say in 45ACP, you most likely could even put a triple charge in that case, I would be afraid of using it in any larger case. In Cowboy Action Shooting, 45 Colt guns are popular for authenticitys sake, but .357 guns are more practical from a cost standpoint. I do like H110 in the .357 and .44 in both the revolvers and the carbines. Today, you can take your pick of outstanding hollowpoint or expanding-point bullets. Also 231, which is a completely different type of powder and meters better. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. They show 2400 as the best powder to use for reloading the .357 Magnum cartridge. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Flexibility of the .357 Mag. I love it because of how well it meters in my Dillon powder measure. Mississippi Deptartment of Wildlife, Fisheries & Parks, State Agency: The famous .357 Magnum, I use 4.2 grs. However, it gains right at 400 fps from the 18-1/2 Marlin 1894 and puts three shots in 3/4 at 45 yards. Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if required) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. Like Jimbo said you'll do better with two powders than one. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I am looking for a powder I can use for both lead/target loads for the 357 Magnum that I can also use for 38 Special loads. Powders .) I highly recommend using 2 different powders to achieve the best results or those 2 very different rounds. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. It takes me all day to do what I used to do all day - but I still enjoy doin' it! A shooter using the .357 must limit himself to broad-side shots on deer. Get CFE . No you will not. I have found Winchester W231 Cartridge Use & HistoryThe .357 Smith & Wesson Magnum, .357 S&W Magnum, .357 Magnum, or 933mmR as it is known in unofficial metric designation, is a smokeless powder cartridge with a .357-inch (9.07 mm) bullet diameter. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. I've tried Unique and Bullseye, and I've found the Red Dot burns cleaner . Much cheaper to load your own. This morning I shot my first 357mag handloads in my Ruger GP-100. Some loads use bullets of .358 for jacketed and .359 for lead. be driven to a MV of 1005 fps by 8.8 grains of HS6 powder, or 1142 fps Clays OR 5.0 gr. I have probably tried a little of every thing and I seem like Titegroup a little better than any other pistol powder that I have used. Whenever You Try To Make Something IDIOT PROOFThey Will Just Make Better IDIOTS! With regards, 357Mag Winchester Rifle Primers. Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: amounts listed above (but not where it says start load), and work up to the I too have used Alliant 2400, it makes an excellent full/hunting load. Although a lot of factory ammo for the .357 is loaded light in deference to all those 80 year old guns out there, a full power .357 S&W Mag with those light 125 grain bullets (remember, the cartridge was made for 158 grain bullets at a published velocity of 1500 f.p.s. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Copyright. A series of targets John shot with the Marlin 1894, proving the accuracy This is a good load. The Handgun Reloading This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. , to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The 1:20 tests at 100, 200 and 300 yards proved that with a rifle length barrel, any commercially available bullet will . I can't claim to have developed these - just use them as my go to loads. Contest void where prohibited by law. I have also used Unique with success on lighter loads, Bullseye, Red Dot and American Select didn't impress me for 357 but I didn't try too hard either. Location: Colorado, USA. The same thing happened 20 years later with the new .44 Magnum and the Winchester Model 1892, which had originally been chambered in .44-40. South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks, State Agency: IMR TrailBoss are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. It would (just) make major from a 6" barrel back when a 6 shot .357 could still be somewhat competitive in USPSA revolver class. section of the Speer Reloading Manual Number 14 (Photo: Andy C). As most revolver cartridges fade further into obscurity every year, the .357 continues to have new life breathed into it by ammunition companies and gun manufacturers who recognize the demand for this venerable cartridge. 2) Am I likely to shoot it more often than my .357s? It is not the best for all things, but it will work in just about any pistol caliber! But for all that inherent diversity, Ive found theres a single cartridge that lets me cover most bases while keeping expense down and enjoyment up. 125 gr. Michigan Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Now this rifle is ready for use by several generations of our family. 45 Colt guns are popular for authenticitys sake, but .357 guns are more practical from a cost standpoint. Cartridges page. H110 and 296 require Magnum primers and like to be loaded at the upper end. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. cast, but bullet is unstable and not H110 and Win 296 is the most common magnum loads for .357 Magnum. Deployed military should use stateside address. It's a super accurate load in the Model 19s and the Model 27. not in popularity or usefulness. Kansas Department of Wildlife, Parks & Tourism, State Agency: (Photo: Andy C). Contest void where prohibited by law. West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, State Agency: I've considered H110, but didn't know if it would be a good "all around" powder. My most-used load these days in a .357 Magnum sixgun is the Lyman #358156GC bullet over 14.0 grains of #2400. Bullseye is also good in .38 Special. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? (Photo: Andy C). Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. It has all the metering benefits that come with a spherical powder but has significantly more volume per charge weight than other options. I'd have to agree with some , 2400 and unique . (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if required) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. But, this isn't the best powder for 900 f/s loads. 6.4 gr. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, Altor Pistols, P.O. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Find a book that lists loads for the bullet you will use. That's not what you asked at all. The action was not as smooth as I would like and the trigger pull was much too heavy at 8-1/2 lbs. Trail Boss is an awesome powder for loading the 158 grain semiwadcutter to moderate magnum levels, retaining good performance and fun without inducing arthritis. To simplify for conversation's sake, I generally regard loads as low, mid or full and further specify if the context warrants, e.g. I have been reloading They are all determined experimentally. I just use a minimum charge of 15gr of 296 with 158gr coated lead bullets. There certainly is no argument when using a .357 Magnum levergun. The Hornady 140 grain FTX bullet is different from other 357 jacketed bullets a couple of important points need to be made right off: Cases will need to be trimmed to 1.240" instead of the usual 1.290". But for my money no other cartridge does as much as well as the .357 magnum. FPS) (unless at least using a Gas Check) (with pure lead wadcutters, do not I prefer the Unique or Universal as Muzzle velocity from a 4-5/8 Ruger Old Model Flat-Top are 1,050 fps and 1,150 feet per second respectively. 07-24-2009, 06:32 PM #12. claybird. Home Of The First Capitol Of The Confederate State, REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, DISTRICT OF ROUND ROCK. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Fast Pistol Powder: Accurate #2 (My Favorite) Accurate #2 is an interesting powder in that it is one of the rare "low density" spherical powders. It gives the same or better velocities than Hodgdon's H110 and Wichester's Win296 (which are the same powder and either would be my second choice with Herc 2400 coming in third) at about 2/3 the pressure. The powders that are considered "Magnum Powders" are: AA#9, Alliant 2400, W296/H110, both IMR & H4227, Ramshot Enforcer and VV N350. Wyoming Game & Fish Department, State Agency: Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. JavaScript is disabled. These bullets have a cannelure. (There are some loads for a 90 gr. It looks like anything over 950 fps is pretty much topping out the range for this revolver. Connecticut Department of Energy & Environmental Protection, Kansas Department of Wildlife, Parks & Tourism, Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, South Carolina Department of Natural Resources, Rhode Island Department of Fish & Wildlife, North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission, New York Department of Environmental Conservation, Mississippi Deptartment of Wildlife, Fisheries & Parks, Minnesota Deptartment of Natural Resources, Michigan Deptartment of Natural Resources, Maine Department of Inland Fisheries & Wildlife, Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries, Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources, Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission, Alabama Department of Conservation & Natural Resources. unique seems to work for all my handgun loads. of what some consider a forgotten Magnum! I'm thinking Unique, but I'm not sure. IMR Smokeless Powder - Rifle. Indiana Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Is the .357 Magnum a rifle cartridge? When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. The .357 Magnum: Most Versatile Handgun Round Ever? If I was going to use W231 in the .357 mag with 158gr lead bullets I'd keep the load below Speers 5.4gr max and and less than 1,000 fps with soflt swagged or cast bullets. You are using an out of date browser. The last one, a brand-new Remington/Marlin, came from my local gun shop a couple months back. You need a faster powder for the .38 and you do for the .357. CCI primers. Just remember, in .357 Magnum, some powders can be too fast. If you find your way down to Rod & Gun of New Bedford Sunday you can try some of my .38 loads. However, it gains right at 400 fps from the 18-1/2 Marlin 1894 and puts three shots in 3/4 at 45 yards. 231 is fine for a 38 load but not slow enough for a full house 357. Gregory, I've tried over the years, if I was "tailoring" a load to a specific handgun (especially barrel length), to pay attention to the "burn rate" of the powder. The 140 grain bullet can John Wootters questions as to whether or not the .357 Magnum was a rifle cartridge is pretty much the same conclusion I came to many years ago. . I'm old school though , been loading since mid eighties , haven't tried the newer powders on the market. Below, are three loaded rounds. They shoot very accurately out of my Model 586. . Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Missouri Deptartment of Conservation, State Agency: Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Jul 7, 2011. I'd like to shoot a few hundred rounds before I do that. Titegroup, 100% burnt at 1.65 inches of barrel length. They felt is was a dirty powder and so all your cartridges would . Ive never seen a 90-grain load in a store. I'm probably gonna run off about 750 rounds, using hard cast 158 grain SWC. Just me, and, I have never had a bad time using Titegroup but, sticking to good reloading practices dictates that there should be enough case fill so as to avoid any possibility of a double charge. bullet to a MV of 1352 fps. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. 10 gauge. Berry does not recommend running these over 1250 FPS, but all the 357 mag base loads are above 1250 FPS. If you are looking for a target/plinking load for your 357's I have found using 5.5 grains of Unique behind either a 158 grain LSWC or Rainier Plated bullet to be very accurate and pleasurable to shoot. (Photo: Andy C). Originally Posted by Hick. This same load is awesome in Marlin lever guns, but you might have to modify your bullet a bit depending on what you shoot; Ive seen some Ubertis that didnt care for the rounded flatpoint bullet profile. guys", but have not provided top accuracy in my .357 handguns. Your trying to do what I was trying to do for a whole year. Read More Handloading Articles The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. 5, No. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. These are good full power hunting loads. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Made from a flexible urethane material. Problem is I am using 125 gn flat nose Berry's (plated) bullets. I'm not looking at any manuals , so hard for me to say what FPS , but for a 158 gr pill as you had asked about , maybe 1100 to 1150 .?? When tactical lights first came out, we all thought the 50 lumens they offered was astounding and could never get better. Result of not working out is a kaboom and potential injury. Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! But if you dont want to buy a new gun to try them out, you can get by with the .357 magnum. Thanks for your patience. For heavy loads, the Speer Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. of Bullseye alot as a . No soup can is safe. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. can be cranked up a bit in velocity with jacketed bullets for a flatter trajectory in longer-distance shooting and hunting small . References: 2009 Hodgdon Website .357 Magnum loads Accurate Arms Co. 1996 If you do use Titegroup, be aware that it is a particularly compact powder. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. Cheers! Winchester Smokeless Ball Powder. I don't have any Titegroup right now or I would try it. Securely hold 6 rounds of revolver ammunition and conveniently load two rounds at a time. John said in 1983, All in all, I wound up this research project considerably more impressed with the .357 Magnum as a rifle cartridge than I expected to be when I started out the little pistol round can deliver the goods in a rifle and more importantly, provide an awful lot of shooting fun per penny in the process. Illinois Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Both the Browning B92 and the Rossi Model 92 were based on the Winchester 1892, while the Marlin used a modernized version of their original 1894 levergun. The reason I moved to Alliant Power Pro 300MP was I was impressed with what I read about it and have found it to be very clean burning, relatively low muzzle flash, accurate and can get a 150 to 250 more fps while still keeping well within the SAAMI 35,000 psi limit. For large game, the Hornady FTX projectiles reign supreme. The same cartridge and rifle can be used for predator control if you occasionally find the need to deal with marauding coyotes and like to keep a gun by the back door. Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, State Agency: (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (when required) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. Safety Warning: Andy C is an experienced shooter and handloader. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Both sports demand power and accuracy, so a combination of a heavy lead bullet, slow powder, and a longer barrel will be a benefit. Of course, you can now get .357 Magnum power in the same package, but the recoil and muzzle blast are intimidating enough that many who own the mini magnums stoke the chambers with +P .38 loads. I'm a little OCD when it comes to reloading and just have to try everything so I can see what the differences are. Optimal accuracy? Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. If handgun hunting is your thing, or you want to carry a revolver for protecting from four-legged predators in the wild, the FTX bullet doesnt provide as much benefit as it does in a rifle. Hornady - Critical Defense 38 Special Ammo - Most Versatile 38 Special Ammo. . Contest void where prohibited by law. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the bore, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. In the .357 for heavy loads I have come to love Hodgdon's Lil'Gun w/magnum primers. I'm assuming I can just use any 170 gr bullet data but want to make sure. +1 on Hellbents slant on Titegroup in the .357 . You can add Hodgdon Lil'Gun for heavier bullet in the .357 Magnum. Paul, I just looked at the online loading center for Hodgdon. Trail Boss is an awesome powder for loading the 158 grain semiwadcutter to moderate magnum levels, retaining good performance and fun without inducing arthritis. bought commercially (in the 70s). Subscribe To GUNS Magazine. No. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. I used 13 gr of Alliant's 2400 under a 125 gr. HP38 is a spherical powder that is great for low velocity and mid-range target loads in the .38 Special, .44 Special, and 45 ACP. Feb 15, 2017. (I) Giveaway ends May 31, 2023. The .357 Magnum was developed as a joint effort between Smith & Wesson (S&W) and Winchester, and was formally introduced in 1935. all purpose, and I also use them for .38 special, just less of it. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. W296 is slow burning and needs a case full to ensure complete ignition. cartridges. Unique: Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes.