I have only seen one actual IX .45 for sale anywhere and I do not own one to show a pic. If this was a coin, it would no doubt raise its value, but I doubt if it did that for this pistol. IV. iiull.l'%'lr. To this weapon was given the trade name Llama' which is the name for currently made Gabilondo pistols. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers this appears to be the export version of Mod. Beristain contracted with Gobilondo to make the gun and production started in 1920. 1911 Pistols manufactured for foreign Governments either in US or outside US. XI.-This is a 9 mm. Libia Exported by Fab. If so desired, you can also manually cock the hammer for the first shot, to improve accuracy. X-A.-This is identical to Mod. They were known for manufacturing several models of both inexpensive pistols and revolvers prior to 1931. On the flat plate on the bottom of the gun, just rear of where the magazine is inserted, look for a letter, set of letters or a word. Serial number has been in two different places also. The used value of a LLAMA AUTO 45 pistol has fallen $0.00 dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $374.18 . You'll see the computer's serial number displayed beneath the text "SerialNumber". The guns were actually purchased by Les Ouvriers Reunies and from there went to the French gvernment. In 1931 it was decided to modernize their line by undertaking the . t fg^Ap, [Tyc I: . The codes are the same whether it's a Llama, a Star, or an Astra To get the year for your code, google "Spanish pistol date codes" Here's the one I use most: They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. This stamp will either have the letter P inside the bomb for semi-automatic pistols or the letter R for revolvers. Enter the words "gun serial number" in the search bar, followed by the portion of the number before the first hyphen. 528. Llama Llama means Flame in Spanish, but they used the animal as their logo as well. Let me know about the springs. The "M1" stamp on the frame leads us to believe that the pistol was manufactured in 1967. Or call Stoeger Industries Customer Service at (301) 283-6981 (option 2) or (800) 264-4962 (option 2), 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. EST, Monday through Friday. Any help with this would be very much appreciated. It uses the standard third series frame and magazine as the 7.65P round fits perfectly. 1 , imIm Miilii'iMiliinliiiiliinliiMlMl'liililimlllMllllillllilMliliilimli TmIi i'I i m 11 i i m I i i i Ii i m i m i m^I 1 i i Iii m Ii 11 il i i m( i m i i r i n I (111 Ii t u' 1 i m li i n ! ] Garatc Anitua Garate, Anitua y Cia. Largo (Bergmann) and .38 ACP calibers this appears to be the export version of Mod. This pistol is still made. IV.-This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. On Windows 7, press Windows + R, type "cmd" into the Run dialog, and then press Enter. Some details concerning the various Llama models are as given below. 23969, r ' r ! ' After the close of World War II certain models were dropped, grip safeties were added to the remaining models, and a .22 caliber pistol was introduced. Llama 380 Serial Number HistoryLlama Serial Number YearLlama 45 Serial Number LookupLlama Pistol Ser. This model was produced until about 1954. Here we can see that the magazine floorplate along with the bottomof the backstrap of the pistol has been stamped with 'MADE IN SPAIN'. Possibly more but the other one I have seen. Llama model 87 Competition 9mm, 40 SW and 7.65 P. This gun is much the same as the model 82 but, so I am told, was built under contract by Beretta for Llama. How to find Llama serial number on Llama guns.. this process and this procedure. On some guns this proof may appear on the left rear of the slide, on the left of the frame or on the barrel in the ejection port. You must click the search button to get your results. lAtttl'WlfrllNO AMU SilCX FIUNGHN Ht JlHT MIING HN TC, Knife Throwing Techniques of the Ninja. Llama IXA was produced as a replacement for the IX .45cal - large base mag. The pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched. There is a hand drawn picture of the Tauler version in Gene Gangarosa's book on Spanish Handguns on page 180. The markings in the picture on the left are as follows,GABILONDO Y CIA. I was identical to Mod. corresponds to the year 1984. I need a clip for it. Note monogram on grips Tomas de Urizar y Cia. 326 7.65 mm. Enter the serial number (no spaces) of your firearm and click on 'Search' to identify your model. You still pay the normal price, our commission comes from their profit, so you have nothing to lose, while we have something to gain. I, to which no model number was originally assigned. II.-This 9 mm. ACP only. ''I I'l'I'MJ [11 ' | 1 ' 11 M 11 ' | ' I ' 11 1 H. TmTfi'iiiiilit'li i ! This gun does not have the grip safety and has a serial number lower than any Bufalo I have ever seen making me wonder if it was actually a forerunner to the Bufalo instead of being made afterward. All the Max series Llamas I've owned or worked on are solid. VII. If this is your first visit, be sure to X. Mod. For some reason this first model produced later was designated Model IV. The serial number is pretty low: 607179 I need some help I just bought a llama yes a llama. Second Variant Humpback The second variant has the serial number on the left arm of the slide, near the front. On the right side just below the serial number is G.C in a circle. :!,!,^!,!,^,!,', I I' I I'Hj H1 I 1'I I11'II I I t' 1 U' 1 M > I I I< j 1:' I 1I'' 'J IM''. serial number mfg manufacturer model caliber wpn type 107888 akk akkar silah sanayi tic field hunter 12 shotgun . Stoger as a firearms importer went out of buisness long ago, The name is used today by a publishing company. In fact, yours may be quite hard to find or read. Llama is now the trade name for handguns that are manufactured by Bersa in Argentina. I'm trying to identify it. Maker unknown. 330 7.65 mm. Not being especially interested in revolvers I have decided to add another page to cover the Llama revolvers, but like the semi autos I dont trust anything that is out there about them so I will have to collect them also to make sure I have the correct information. This is the early Llama legend and then changed to the ones below. The letters are scroll. During the Spanish Civil war all of the gun makers were within the Republican (Basque) held territory, even Astra who was actually on the side of the Nationalist or on the side with the Catholic Church actually. Sometimes the mark is on the left side below the slide release. Payment should come from the FFL Firearms Dealer . I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesn't appear to be for that purpose. There are no Llama pistols designated as Models XII, XIII, and XIV as these designations have been reserved for and are used on the Llama revolvers. The serial number is 563842 which I *think* puts production somewhere around 1970-ish. Shortly after the production of this first model, a blowback style based upon the external shape of the Colt-Browning was introduced. models of 1903, 1906, 1910, and 1922. Thank you. This is a Proof House marking which may look a bit different on later guns. Work on a new design began in 1931 and culminated in 1932 with a Spanish patent issued on April 12th of that year. The pre-war serial # on the butt reads with barrel to the right including I frame serial numbers on the fore strap. 1911. Why this ever got out of the factory is a mystery to everyone. Feb 2, 2021. series guy said: 1980, 1997, 1980, and 1996. A278), order number (i.e. 3 <1r~ijT-iI '7 I I ri I ,'lfTT'l U| .Hl .Tin irMWi n ft j 111 iTiTTln 1 r 11 Tl Mt 1111 f 11 ill t tl< iTf la 111 l*i>l I ill 1M11 Ii f Inl7i tl I ill iTTlnill III >i I iliiftillllirtaiBlln llllTll 11111 III I 'illilli, No. 9 (U.S. A further improvement of the blowback pattern was undertaken and this second blowback style was issued from 1935 on. 5T' ^ .f l.ri^amln.TlMMt.ffl,;,!,! moscs 2 i -4. , s. t r.rir, IIMlllMlllllllllllllllltlllltlllllllltllllllllllllllllllllllllllMllllllllltlllllllllllilMllilllil J11111I' If If I ft 11 llllt tl ll I (|! 322 7.65 mm. Shipping Notes: On Star Pistols, the date code is usually under the left grip panel on the grip frame. d'Armes LePage Lige, Belgium No. Llama Mod. Fully recoil-operated Llama pistols of the Mod. There are 3 on a typical commerical arm, and four on a typical military arm. During this period they made a Max I LF with the old 1980's frame and a slide of the Max typeand called it the El Militar. This was the original Llama pistol, dating from 1931-32, in 9 mm. Again, speculation. VII (or IV) style are known to have been made in the 7.63 Mauser caliber, expressly for the German trade, and it is possible that the designation of Mod. Llama 32 Serial Number Lookup The photograph on the left is a picture of the right side of the receiver just above the trigger. 323 7.65 mm. It is still in production. XV.-This is a .22 caliber (Long Rifle) pistol which follows the same general design as the other recent Llama models. I always figured the 38 stood for acp rounds like it does on Stars, but this changed my mind. Parabellum caliber was produced. with the year. Present day handguns will show a slide marking with either LLAMA CAL. 'l!llltliMilillllinilim, No. You can e. $ 399.00 For sale is a Llama Especial semi-automatic pistol in .380 ACP. Some details concerning the various Llama models are as given below. All you have to do is type in the serial number for your gun, and the site will present you with its date of creationit's as simple as that. I noticed one gun with Z code marking that used a frame with the rounded butt and a slide that had straight lines cut in it on top from front to back which differs from the normal. I . Mod. 3889, No. Trades Accepted: We Buy, Sell, or Trade. 37' Metallwaren, Waffen u. Munitionsfabrik Budapest, Hungary No. ,.,.. The serial number is C23709. The rifle will be repaired and returned at no charge to the owners. I have records of this gun being made as early as 1932 and as late as 1944. 1911. Mod. 508, 11.! 'IlllillililT^ililfllllliHlil r ,.,.,!ffl.7l0,i|i,1.l,*.,.,I,il.m, r ' r ! ' For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products. Marlin Model 39 Serial number prefixes. Llama Model 1 (A-31 or. With N date code manufactured in 1942. 1911A1, but without the grip safety, and in 9 mm. The company began business in 1904 making cheap pocket revolvers; . This is in addition to the retail price of the gun and shipping costs. Any ideas? Although mine has a date code of V (1951), it has a grip safety. The gun is exactly as you said. The codes began with A in 1927, and after reaching Z in 1954, continued with A1 in 1955. Right side of frame has serial no#208131. The next and last stamp is the date code. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. Mod. All Rights Reserved. Parabellum, 9 mm. Llama III self-loading pistol modeled after the Colt 1911, and chambered in .380 ACP. Cross section of typical Llama pistols. For instance, my. I am almost always in the market for these guns so if you have something you want to get rid of let me know. Search Amazon. iiull.l'%'lr. Largo, and .45 ACP. Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold, although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. We find a lot of Llamas from the 30's that have their proof marks removed and I feel like this was done in the refinishing. Pistols collected after the Spanish Civil War were either scrapped or refinished and I suspect the date codes and proofs were ground off. Beristain cancelled the contract even though he won. Blow back operated, 5 shot mag,2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz. i , No. It was designed after the semi-automatic pistol. I'm trying to identify it. Mod. 226 Williams Ln. Jger Pistole Jger and Co. Suhl, Germany No. III.-This was a 9 mm. No Made in Spain stamped on them. Do a Google search. Several styles of grip pieces and markings have been noted. HACKENSACK, N.J.' And then on the bottom of it all it is stamped 'Made in Spain'. ! ' Somewhat later a variant pattern in 9 mm. nf I tutmTItinln li!i?ttl-'0|Milli'^ z r; 111 'In irlu'f m-Tniilniifi!--: m'T'-'-y ; ri-i-ij ^ i < i J.immtim , j11 ' i ' i | i11 ' ' I 1 ' I Ij 1111111 i n I M M . Automatic pistols made by Gabilondo from 1914 to 1933 were based on Browning F.N. This handgun sports both a checkered front and back straps as well as walnut wood grips. Known as a Modelo Extra. with a 5.25 inch barrel - Custom 4Sgrips. This is the proof for a Pistol and on a revolver it will be an R. On some guns this may be an I which is for military. This is an importers stamp that is now required to be placed on firearms that have entered the U.S. After the late 1980's. No. This is purely a conjecture. i f t 11 t aTaf o iIt 1 *t t^TI tn I, No. Ask it to dinner and a movie? VII, but in three calibers: 7.65 mm. Ecuadorian Air Force Contract Llama .380 Micro Max. It has been suggested that the name Modello IV may have been reserved for the Tauler pistol which is identical to it. If so, any suggestions as to where I might pick up a couple. This pistol is in good condition and comes with one magazine. Llama records appear to be non existent on any of the guns they sold or they are being held in seclusion. *f j : 11: t i : ' : ' i?. Item #: 963423345. codes--they are the same. Last edited by nailcreek; 27th March 2005 at 16:01 . I won't shoot them much, but would like to get a couple of each just in case.my son and daughter might appreciate that when they go to sell 'emm after I'm gone. Short, second blowback pattern and more closely approached the external shape of the Mod. I am thinking that Llama had a slide or more that were over runs and they simply used them on later guns, but have no way of knowing for sure. Thanks for the link. The second series had the detent spring tube with coil spring and used the same frame. 529. In actuality there is no difference in the model VII M&P and the VIII M&P except for the markings. Colt 45 mags work and this one was equipped with a Meggar, Max I C/F - .45 cal compact frame 4 .340" barrel, parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide, Max II L/F large frame large capacity, parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide, MaxII C/F compact frame large capacity, parkerized ,blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide. For some reason this first model produced later was designated Model IV. It was manufactured from about 1936 to 1954. Piotti. You are correct! '^ ' I' 111 u' 111 g' p 111' i n. 11) ij n M i I' i. i 11 y i p 11111.11 p i ^ i fgsP, [PJjl'I'I'I'PJ.i ' |I|. Llama XVIII - .25 cal called the Executive. This pistol is still made. 'F. VIII.-This is identical to the Mod. s U i'*i* V k I ! Unless one of the Llamas has this mark or you have the bring back papers you cannot tell for sure if it was used in Germany during the war or not. Llama model IV - 9mm largo - 38 acp. iflilimtT' ' f ^ I I' I III HJ I IH|' > M' HJ I I' I' IM f I 'J M M *!I' * I n, 'Til :l'llll!llM)|l|'|i||? d'Armes de Guerre de Grande Precision Beistegui Hermanos, Eibar, Spain No. VI.-This has been reported to be in 9 mm. After going This is in 38 Super and is only the second I have seen. To get the precise information about multiple online schools offering certain degree programs so it is prefered to search for online. 'Le Secours' Marketed by Garate, Anitua y Cia. My last question: any idea on value? On the right side of the frame, Union Switch & Signal inserted double spaces in "M 1911 A1" whereas Colt rolled it out all crammed together ("M1911A1") and Remington-Rand, Ithaca, and Singer inserted single spaces ("M 1911 A1"). The second sub-variant has a 4.25 inch barrel (108 mm) with the front sight set back about 5/16 inch (8 mm) from the muzzle. It is still in production. Seriously, you need the serial number in order to tell the age of a firearm.560996 On the LEFT side of LLAMA firearms, right above the tirgger, is an Alpha-Numeric Code. 320 7.65 mm. Apparently derived from the 1900 Model Mannlicher. The gun looks identical to the model VII in every respect except the caliber markings.